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it looked like to some degree there in south carolina both hillary clinton and bill clinton were sort of -- were sort of going after him at the same time, trying to fluster him when he got to this debate. he never went there. and i think that's telling for this debate upcoming. all these attempts to try to fluster him, you know, do you remember suzanne, the talk about ronald reagan in that debate? >> right. >> do you recall that? >> that's right. >> all this talk about ronald reagan and whether obama had sort of invoked the name of ronald reagan because so many democrats didn't like him or whatever. well senator obama then took the punches, explained what he said about reagan and took it back to her, keeping the anger under control, finding balance and pushing back hard just not too hard. >> it was interesting too as well you could ask the most dry mundane question, dealing with the economy. they would go back to the talking points in the attacks. it was clear they were trying to score points. fireworks. a "game change"er if you will. i want you to see here's mitt romney in a scenario
it looked like to some degree there in south carolina both hillary clinton and bill clinton were sort of -- were sort of going after him at the same time, trying to fluster him when he got to this debate. he never went there. and i think that's telling for this debate upcoming. all these attempts to try to fluster him, you know, do you remember suzanne, the talk about ronald reagan in that debate? >> right. >> do you recall that? >> that's right. >> all this talk about...
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also, robert reish, former labor secretary in the clinton administration, economist and professor of public policy at the university of california at berkeley. secretary rice, let me start with you on the terror front and the obama administration. do you buy david axelrod saying that president obama labeled it terror the next day? >> well, it didn't sound from that context as if he labeled it as terrorism the next day, anderson. but it does seem credible to me that the white house is sharing with the public what it knows when it knows. it's very difficult to get good information immediately and as this issue becomes clearer, i think the white house has made a credible effort to tell the americans what it, in fact, knows about it. >> ari fleischer, what about that? david axelrod is also saying look, an investigation, you have to be prudent, you're president of the united states, you can't jump to conclusions. >> i have a fair amount of sympathy. i stood on that podium at the white house in the case of attacks on our country. you have to wait until you have all the facts to speak. but
also, robert reish, former labor secretary in the clinton administration, economist and professor of public policy at the university of california at berkeley. secretary rice, let me start with you on the terror front and the obama administration. do you buy david axelrod saying that president obama labeled it terror the next day? >> well, it didn't sound from that context as if he labeled it as terrorism the next day, anderson. but it does seem credible to me that the white house is...
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and bill clinton wading right up to the audience questioners showing his compassion and feeling for these people. and it jumped through the screen. and i've had people -- i've had people, you know, these days, telling me, i want to see how they do. it is not -- i want it hear what they have to say about how to solve the economy. they want to see how they do. and i think a lot of things -- the conventional wisdom is that all the debates do is reinforce your ideas about a candidate that you support, or don't support. but there are -- i think there is room that somebody can do something or say something that will really turn people off. and that's what happened with george bush. >> yeah. >> whom ied amir ed amiadmire a >> they were pretty quiet the last couple of days, perhaps practicing memorizing numbers and facts and zingers, but really it is interesting that you point out that -- >> what was that about? >> what is that about? what do you think that is about? >> romney is practicing zingers? he's not very funny. i mean -- >> newt gingrich says he should be funny. you say no? >> i've watch
and bill clinton wading right up to the audience questioners showing his compassion and feeling for these people. and it jumped through the screen. and i've had people -- i've had people, you know, these days, telling me, i want to see how they do. it is not -- i want it hear what they have to say about how to solve the economy. they want to see how they do. and i think a lot of things -- the conventional wisdom is that all the debates do is reinforce your ideas about a candidate that you...
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bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy. when casper weinberger was implicated in the iran-contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president, did not need. in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day, in a razor thing race between president bush and john kerry. three years after 9/11, it served as a reminder of the terrorist threat and strategists in both parties believe had helped president bush. more recently, the term october surprise has come to mean a seismic event in the fall of an election year. most have centered around foreign policy, others have been about the economy, like in 2008. when the economy imploded, john mccain's advisers say his campaign collapsed along with it and never recovered. historians say in order for an october surprise to have a real 11th hour impact it has to feed into a narrative that already exists, whether it's carter's ineffectiveness or questions about mccain's
bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy. when casper weinberger was implicated in the iran-contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president, did not need. in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day, in a razor thing race between president bush and john kerry. three years after 9/11, it served as a reminder of the terrorist threat...
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the author of "here come the black helicopters" out next week, former clinton advisor dick morris. so he can't meet with benjamin newnewt gingrichnetanyahu, becao on "the view," meet with beyonce. >> they've found numerous instances of terrorist attacks in banghazi, including two bombings of our consulate in banghazi in the weeks and months before the terrorist attacks that killed our ambassador. so this, a, shows that the president is just not on -- not there. he's just not paying attention to, thito this. nor is hillary. these attacks should have prompted security, increased efforts to protect the ambassador. the ambassador himself was threatened with assassination. as the committee draws that out on the one hand in your fast and furious coming out with evidence more and more of the use of those guns, this administration is unraveling. it becomes very clear that nobody was there. >> sean: it's unraveling, but he doesn't take national security briefings both before and after this attack. four people are dead. the bigger issue is always the cover-up. now we're covering that they ha
the author of "here come the black helicopters" out next week, former clinton advisor dick morris. so he can't meet with benjamin newnewt gingrichnetanyahu, becao on "the view," meet with beyonce. >> they've found numerous instances of terrorist attacks in banghazi, including two bombings of our consulate in banghazi in the weeks and months before the terrorist attacks that killed our ambassador. so this, a, shows that the president is just not on -- not there. he's...
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well we're going to also lay it on bill clinton who started this whole thing with the mortgage crisis that broadens to this point but you know it's the old when dr in that era kids births were not built and this was all this was phil graham's idea actually if you want to get back to that if you want to you want to make his wife and wendy happy because she was on the board of enron and ken lay wanted to start speculating in unregulated markets and so phil gramm introduced the commodity futures modernization act but back to bit romney mitt romney has as said that he's considering a failed banks there is a treasury secretary doesn't this tell us something about mitt romney but but but but come on tom that's a little bit insincere i mean bill clinton's treasury secretary was was reuben who was a cochairman of goldman sachs i'm not here to defend what the world but i am i will not defend robert rubin that i'm alison you ronnie. and i think this will be bill clinton's not running for anything this is totally this is totally hypothetical we don't know who it's going to be but it can't get an
well we're going to also lay it on bill clinton who started this whole thing with the mortgage crisis that broadens to this point but you know it's the old when dr in that era kids births were not built and this was all this was phil graham's idea actually if you want to get back to that if you want to you want to make his wife and wendy happy because she was on the board of enron and ken lay wanted to start speculating in unregulated markets and so phil gramm introduced the commodity futures...
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here comes bill clinton. he was at oxford during the vietnam war and participating in protests over there. george bush sr. on the campaign trail and the republicans started to play this up and coming close to questioning the patriotism of xwlibill clinton. bush brought it up and they went to clinton for a response. they think it can work here again. this is when we learned what a great and masterful communicator bill clinton is. this is how he handled it. >> i honor your service in world war ii. i honor mr. perot's service in the uniform and the service of any man and women who served, including admiral who is your chairman of the joint chiefs supporting me. when joe mccarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism, he was wrong. he was wrong. and a senator from connecticut stood up to him named prescott bush, your father was right to stand up to joe mccarthy. you are wrong to attack my patriotism. i was opposed to the war, but i loved my country. we need a president who will bring this country
here comes bill clinton. he was at oxford during the vietnam war and participating in protests over there. george bush sr. on the campaign trail and the republicans started to play this up and coming close to questioning the patriotism of xwlibill clinton. bush brought it up and they went to clinton for a response. they think it can work here again. this is when we learned what a great and masterful communicator bill clinton is. this is how he handled it. >> i honor your service in world...
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clinton will tell you that. people in his administration will tell you that. he made the difference even though he did not win. the polls will also tell you in july he was leading. in addition, the exit polls will tell you that the people who voted, if they thought they could have won, they would have voted for him and he would have won. much worse today than we were then, and people know it. >> do you think we're much worse today because he was not elected? >> we have lost our way. >> that is history. we're on the edge of the cliff, and we have got to start fixing it now. otherwise we are leaving a disaster to our children and grandchildren and we could even lose our country. if we do not get fixed -- and nobody is talking about what we have to do and why we have to do it. they would prefer not to have it discussed. >> what is happening is we're still coming out of recession, so both candidates, and as president for four years, are using the necessity to dig out from recession before they get to austerity. you could argue that in europe they have tried auster
clinton will tell you that. people in his administration will tell you that. he made the difference even though he did not win. the polls will also tell you in july he was leading. in addition, the exit polls will tell you that the people who voted, if they thought they could have won, they would have voted for him and he would have won. much worse today than we were then, and people know it. >> do you think we're much worse today because he was not elected? >> we have lost our way....
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ask bill clinton. sometimes you just need a do-able plan that is enough to get the markets believing and the rating agencies to hold off downgrading and have americans feeling more confident. you did not have to wave a wand and tell us how you will make all the red ink disappear overnight. you just have to state a plan on starting the process. tomorrow night be the former reagan economic adviser who remembers how bill clinton and how ronald reagan did that. you do not have to change things immediately, you just have to give a plan that makes people think and hope and pray you have started the process, right? >>guest: that is correct. you need to get growth. you have to get growth. you cannot balance the budget on the backs of the unemployed and the poor. that is where a flat tax comes in. it allows attraction of the capital abroad. sam nunn was correct, you have to cut government spending. that has to happen, especially entitlements where you pay people not to work. there are other ways of bringing the
ask bill clinton. sometimes you just need a do-able plan that is enough to get the markets believing and the rating agencies to hold off downgrading and have americans feeling more confident. you did not have to wave a wand and tell us how you will make all the red ink disappear overnight. you just have to state a plan on starting the process. tomorrow night be the former reagan economic adviser who remembers how bill clinton and how ronald reagan did that. you do not have to change things...
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hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a drunk. later, bernie goldberg on misleading polling and adam carolla on schwarzenegger. we're coming right back. >> bill: campaign 2012 segment tonight. in florida. allen west running against allen murphy. the polls say murphy is ahead. mr. west put out this ad. >> february 16th, 2003, fort hood, texas. lt. colonel allen west had just received deployment orders and prepares his men to go to war. that night south beach, murphy. thrown out of a club for fighting alcohol and unable to stand. murphy confronts and verballably assaults a police
hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a...
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clinton will tell you that. people in his administration will tell you that. he made the difference even though he did not win. the polls will also tell you in july he was leading. in addition, the exit polls will tell you that the people who voted, if they thought they could have won, they would have voted for him and he would have won. much worse today than we were then, and people know it. >> do you think we're much worse today because he was not elected? >> we have lost our way. >> that is history. we're on the edge of the cliff, and we have got to start fixing it now. otherwise we are leaving a disaster to our children and grandchildren and we could even lose our country. if we do not get fixed -- and nobody is talking about what we have to do and why we have to do it. they would prefer not to have it discussed. >> what is happening is we're still coming out of recession, so both candidates, and as president for four years, are using the necessity to dig out from recession before they get to austerity. you could argue that in europe they have tried auster
clinton will tell you that. people in his administration will tell you that. he made the difference even though he did not win. the polls will also tell you in july he was leading. in addition, the exit polls will tell you that the people who voted, if they thought they could have won, they would have voted for him and he would have won. much worse today than we were then, and people know it. >> do you think we're much worse today because he was not elected? >> we have lost our way....
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he was accused of being smug with hillary clinton when he said, you're likable enough, hillary. he's got to be careful, right. >> that was a regrettable moment. i think that he has got to -- that's why i said likability, relate built, very, very important. he cannot be the smartest guy in the room, and i think that he must go on offense. he must talk about how bad things are because i have to tell you brad and gregg i don't think that people have known just how bad things are. joe sieve stiglitz four years ago said these two wars cost us $3 trillion. we are still hearing billion dollar figures. i think if they are both how honest how deep this hole is we can come up with solution has will get us out of it. gregg: you think romney needs to attack but sometimes when do you that you make yourself less likable don't you? >> reagan did it quite effectively against gym recarter. gregg: he's an actor. >> by being a little tongue and cheek and being a little bit of levity in the attack. i think romney certainly has enough ammunition against this president. he must be selective but he mu
he was accused of being smug with hillary clinton when he said, you're likable enough, hillary. he's got to be careful, right. >> that was a regrettable moment. i think that he has got to -- that's why i said likability, relate built, very, very important. he cannot be the smartest guy in the room, and i think that he must go on offense. he must talk about how bad things are because i have to tell you brad and gregg i don't think that people have known just how bad things are. joe sieve...
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bill clinton, lord knows, that's what it was all about with that guy. and this guy, i mean, can't do it at all. by the way, that's also the magic of the tea party movement. >> can't you imagine having some caviar with mitt romney? bellinis? >> with special spoons you have to eat it with. it can't be silver. it's got to be whatever it is. i'm sure mitt romney can tell you all about it. he just can't switch it on. not only that, this is the republican party and conservatism generally has been coasting on this notion, this sort of populist aura that hoverses around them and he's the opposite, you know. he's -- i was reading this great story in "rolling stone" the other day by matt taibbi about how mitt romney is like all of the terrible movie villains of the last 30 years. you know, he's the rich fraternity boy that's such a snob to the guys in animal house, right? you go down the list of movie villains and this is the kind of guy. perfectly, well coifed executives who fire everybody. >> thomas, i'm so grateful to you, but i'm afraid we've run out of time.
bill clinton, lord knows, that's what it was all about with that guy. and this guy, i mean, can't do it at all. by the way, that's also the magic of the tea party movement. >> can't you imagine having some caviar with mitt romney? bellinis? >> with special spoons you have to eat it with. it can't be silver. it's got to be whatever it is. i'm sure mitt romney can tell you all about it. he just can't switch it on. not only that, this is the republican party and conservatism generally...
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hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a drunk. later, bernie goldberg on misleading polling and adam carolla on schwarzenegger. we're coming right back. ...seems like you guys got a little gassed out there. enough already. c'mon guys. next question. hello! what's your favorite color? what's my favorite color? yes. purple. what's your favorite animal? sea turtle. what's your bedtime? do you believe in space aliens? ...i love puppies. hash browns or home fries? home fries. do you like my dress? why can't you guys ask good questions like this? [ morgan ] for a chance to interview a
hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a...
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my experience has been minimal with the first ladies, other than hillary clinton. but i think ann romney was quoted the other day by radio iowa saying about the criticism, stop it, this is hard. and i got a lot of e-mails about that, either when we did something on the blog, bearing from coming in, good for her to, doesn't she get it? was another one, keep to can you imagine if michelle obama had said that? people would've been angry. i thought it was a very, i think was probably not something the campaign as a structure would've wanted as a statement on the because it's not their message. but i thought it was a very human thing. she was talking about her husband, she is experienced with getting beat up. i guess the response to that is you chose to run for office and yes, it is hard. what we demand from our candidates is a lot in the country. even for the criticism that ron is getting about not doing enough in terms of events. he is doing a tremendous number of fund-raising events. it's incredibly hard and incredibly grueling. i can't imagine watching my husband go
my experience has been minimal with the first ladies, other than hillary clinton. but i think ann romney was quoted the other day by radio iowa saying about the criticism, stop it, this is hard. and i got a lot of e-mails about that, either when we did something on the blog, bearing from coming in, good for her to, doesn't she get it? was another one, keep to can you imagine if michelle obama had said that? people would've been angry. i thought it was a very, i think was probably not something...
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hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a drunk. later, bernie goldberg on misleading polling and adam carolla on schwarzenegger. we're coming right back. are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? [ male announcer ] it's the age-old question of travel. the same one we ask ourselves every day. is it the safest, the most efficient? have we created the kind of vehicle to move not just people... but an industry fward? are we there yet? are we really? [ male announcer ] are we there yet? we are, for now. introducing the all-new seven passenger gl. mercedes-benz. the best or
hillary clinton culpable here? >> well, she is culpable to the extent that she either -- she is the overridden by the white house. she has said some things differently. buff she is secretary of state, somebody should have spoken out. we shouldn't know this late. >> bill: pat caddell everyone. we will continue following the story, pat there no doubt about it. we have got to do it facts. directly ahead, brutal political ad in florida. congressman allen west saying his opponent is a...
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some of the evidence suggests from the clinton years, it doesn't produce that. >> yeah, i agree, john. i think he does have to make that case, though. he has to make some sort of affirmative case. i really don't think it's enough for romney to point at obama and say he's doing a bad job. that hasn't gotten him over the hump. and i do think he has to say, look, here's what i'm going to do and here's how it's going to make things better. and if -- if he's going to talk about tax cuts, he's got to explain how that's going to make the life of, well, frankly, the 47% any better. and that's a challenge. >> all right. eugene robinson, thank you. john harwood, thung. chuck todd, we'll see you on the daily rundown. >>> coming up, a showdown in last night's massachusetts race. senator scott brown and elizabeth warren face off in their second televised debate. kelly o'donnell joins us with a live report. but first, some say if we fix the housing market, we'll fix the economy. so how close are we to solving the foreclosure crisis? cnbc's david faber and the founder of the online lending company l
some of the evidence suggests from the clinton years, it doesn't produce that. >> yeah, i agree, john. i think he does have to make that case, though. he has to make some sort of affirmative case. i really don't think it's enough for romney to point at obama and say he's doing a bad job. that hasn't gotten him over the hump. and i do think he has to say, look, here's what i'm going to do and here's how it's going to make things better. and if -- if he's going to talk about tax cuts, he's...
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you set it up to a point where bill clinton said, no one could fix i. but i think if there was a republican in office, we would hear this is a crisis, unemployment over 8%, and if you take the nine million people who dropped out of the job market since inauguration day, it'd be closer to 12%. the fact that we're not seeing this is disingenuous and a disservice to the general public. >> yeah, it's really bad, and partly it's the policies. we're doing a lot of things similar to what happened in japan, and there's a joke that used to go around japan, what's the difference between japan and taiwan, at least one company goes bust in taiwan every day, and in japan that wasn't happening -- alisyn: because of stimulus? >> no, they were propping up bad companies. alisyn: bailouts. >> in this country we've got banks that are going bust not because of bad account, we've got crazy accounting policies where i'm as tall as charles. [laughter] i'd like to be, but i'm not. and also we've got bailouts of companies that didn't need bailing out, they just needed to go tru
you set it up to a point where bill clinton said, no one could fix i. but i think if there was a republican in office, we would hear this is a crisis, unemployment over 8%, and if you take the nine million people who dropped out of the job market since inauguration day, it'd be closer to 12%. the fact that we're not seeing this is disingenuous and a disservice to the general public. >> yeah, it's really bad, and partly it's the policies. we're doing a lot of things similar to what...
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>> john: bill clinton was an appetizer. granholm owned it. we'll have governor eliot spitzer what for my money is leading a master class on wall street and corporate crime on his show, "viewpoint." cenk uygur of "the young turks." i'll be there. your tweets as well. it won't be as huge and expansive a tweet screen filling up the entire frame but your tweets will be on screen throughout the debate. while we comment over the candidates, you will be able to see your comments. i will be tweeting for current tv from their twitter handle during the debate doing my best to make mr. gore violently upset. we'll be taking your calls when we come back at 1-866-55-press. want to know what you think mitt romney can do. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> john: it is the "bill press show" on your radio and your computer and current tv, i'm john fuglesang filling in for bill all morning. so much going on here on tuesday, october 2nd from the scott brown/elizabeth warren debate which the clear loser david gregory. did paul ryan
>> john: bill clinton was an appetizer. granholm owned it. we'll have governor eliot spitzer what for my money is leading a master class on wall street and corporate crime on his show, "viewpoint." cenk uygur of "the young turks." i'll be there. your tweets as well. it won't be as huge and expansive a tweet screen filling up the entire frame but your tweets will be on screen throughout the debate. while we comment over the candidates, you will be able to see your...
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. >> the comparison with president clinton. >> so both those campaigns are going in with prescripted lines having watched what the other candidates are saying. >> it's worth noting that mitt romney has been debating over the past two years with his opponents. president obama has been practicing, no doubt, but it's harder for a president to do because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in a challenging way. >> but as michael lewis pointed out, this president likes to practice in a stealth way. >> yes, it's true. i'm sure he's going to be prepared. >> james fallows, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >>> american airlines is facing new trouble. the faa is investigating two incidents where a row of passenger seats came loose inned my flight. mark strassman is here with the story. good morning. >> reporter: american airlines has grounded eight of its jets as a precaution while they're inspected for a sign of more problems. for now, there's nothing that apparently suggests this problem was caused intentionally during a divisive labor dispute. it's one of the last things you woul
. >> the comparison with president clinton. >> so both those campaigns are going in with prescripted lines having watched what the other candidates are saying. >> it's worth noting that mitt romney has been debating over the past two years with his opponents. president obama has been practicing, no doubt, but it's harder for a president to do because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in a challenging way. >> but as michael lewis pointed out, this president...
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sometimes it comes across as super sillious, as in that you're likable enough comment with hillary clinton. disciplined in saying here is what i want to do, here is why you're wrong and here is why i'll do a better job. where he gets into trouble is when something comes out of left field that he hasn't been scripted for and then the $10,000 bet instinct often serves him wrong. >> this is the moment that the challenger has some advantage because it's the first time you've seen him on the stage with the president. >> historically, that's been the case. a president never stands as an equal with another american citizen except during these debates and for all that we read and psych out the race say it may be opening up now there's still this undeniable drama seeing these people in the same room, face to face. the challenger often gets a boost just by being there with the incumbent. >> great piece in "the atlantic." you went back and looked at some 30 hours of the debates and one of the most interesting points you made is that you can actually learn a lot about who won the debate by turning off
sometimes it comes across as super sillious, as in that you're likable enough comment with hillary clinton. disciplined in saying here is what i want to do, here is why you're wrong and here is why i'll do a better job. where he gets into trouble is when something comes out of left field that he hasn't been scripted for and then the $10,000 bet instinct often serves him wrong. >> this is the moment that the challenger has some advantage because it's the first time you've seen him on the...